The Ruby-Talk Ban of Die Optimisten ("Opti") - The Point of View From The Other Side
Moderator note: Edited to reduce presence of irrelevant material on the front page, but Gerald’s full post remains verbatim within the post.
Hello, Opti - who is banned on ruby-talk without warning & notice asked me (note I do not know Opti - it’s a case of solidarity / justice / humanity) to post his point of view (of course - I am now banned too), thus, sorry - I post the statement of Opti here that got no official answer: Opti writes: I sent two mails to the listadmin (is it SHIBATA Hiroshi?) asking 1) why exactly I was banned, and 2) not Austin Ziegler, but didn’t get any answer. At least it is necessary to get a warning before getting banned. Also a limited banning is sufficient, giving another chance… ++ Maybe you could forward this to the mailinglist – I think a listadmin at least has to respond to an email sent to him. My conclusion: the list-admin is not acting as he should. Perhaps we shall vote for another admin? (How many posts has he contributed? Are they useful, is he helpful?) 2nd: Why is Austin Ziegler NOT banned? His last mail from TODAY: > There is welcoming, and then there’s letting the assholes set the tone of your discourse because they enjoy abusing your goodwill. ++ WE DON’T WANT SUCH WORDS IN THE LIST! - NOW I’M OUT OF THE LIST (BANNED), and he CAN’T STOP OFFENDING… What’s your take?
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Let me comment - it looks SHIBATA Hiroshi is the only admin and he MUST admin the mailing list as a chore (of being the module owner of the official ruby lang website) - for sure no fun - and SHIBATA Hiroshi hasn’t posted anything himself for years (other than threats and you are banned). So the issue might really be - is ruby dead? - that is, is there a maintained (and loved) ruby forum somewhere or someone who’s interested in helping the community grow? Where do all rubyists go? Is it time to shutdown the ruby-talk mailing list?
Here’s my take: I don’t want whatever disputes you’re having with the Ruby mailing lists spilling over on to this site. Ordinarily, I would delete posts like this, whoever it is, because it’s irrelevant to the site, but I don’t want you to think I’m censoring or banning you.
With that said, when it comes to RubyFlow, you are absolutely welcome to share your work and projects and, within reason, concerns about the Ruby community, but if it crosses a line into personal attacks or inane time wasting, I reserve the right to moderate accordingly.
FWIW, I’ve been in the Ruby community for 18 years now and have looked at the mailing lists a handful of times. It’s absolutely not essential to be present there. A lot more takes place on the repos of individual projects nowadays rather than as a “Ruby community” so I would advise fostering your own communities around your own (and many) projects, and engaging with communities associated to projects you’re interested in as that’s where the real action is nowadays.
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